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Date Posted:06/15/2018 12:04 AMCopy HTML
Although Marx advocated the use of any means, especially including violent revolution, to bring about socialist dictatorship, he suggested ten political goals for developed countries such as the United States. How far has the United States -- traditionally the bastion of freedom, free markets, and private property -- gone down the Marxist road to fulfill these socialist aims? You be the judge. The following are Marx's ten planks from his Communist Manifesto. 1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.
So, is the U.S. a "free country" today? Hardly! Not compared to what it once was. Yet, very few Americans today challenge these Marxist institutions, and there are virtually no politicians calling for their repeal or even gradual phase-out. While the United States of America may still have more freedoms than most other countries, we have nonetheless lost many crucial liberties and have accepted the major socialist attacks on freedom and private property as normal parts of our way of life. The nation, whose founders included such individualists as Thomas Jefferson, George Mason, James Madison, John Adams and Patrick Henry, has gradually turned away from the principles of individual rights, limited constitutional government, private property, and free markets and instead we increasingly have embraced the failed ideas and nostrums of socialism and fascism. We should hang our heads in shame for having allowed this to happen.But, it is not too late to reverse these pernicious burdens and instead enact pro-freedom reforms to put our nation back on track again. It can be done.In some ways the Left has a head start over us on the pro-freedom Right. The enemies of American freedom do admittedly dominate the entertainment industry, television news media, and academia -- but we have the tremendous strategic advantage that reality (including man's nature) is on our side; so, unlike the socialists and "liberals" (welfare-state fascists), we are not in the position of having to advocate a system which constantly tries to "make water to go uphill" -- or force human beings into a rigid utopian staitjacket based on the whims of some clique of central planning bureaucrats. We know that individual freedom for peaceful people within a constitutional republic works in practice; our country's history demonstrates that. The piecemeal abandonment of those principles and institutions which once made America great has proved to be a a dead-end road to failure. That is why I tend to be a long-term optimist even though things often look pretty glum in the meantime. Just as Prohibition was eventually repealed, I feel encouraged that such key statist achievements as the income tax, government schools, fiat money/central banking (the Federal Reserve), "environmentalist" regulations, property forfeiture laws, and other Marxist planks and leftist institutions can be rolled back and repealed altogether, although it may take several decades.Those who would carry forward the ideas and principles of self-ownership, private property, free markets, laissez faire, the rule of law, and constitutionalism which informed America's founders must become more active on the key ideological battle fronts. We need more influence not just in politics, but in areas of entertainment, academia, journalism, think tanks, churches (we need our own individualist Walter Rauschenbushes), literature, art, and other venues of expression and activism.Marxism and socialism have proved to be colossal failures all over the world. As Frederic Bastiat wrote in his classic The Law just prior to his death, "let us now try liberty"! |
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Re:The Ten Planks of the Communist Manefesto Date Posted:06/15/2018 12:06 AMCopy HTML
It seems pretty clear cut to me that the left is well on the way to succeeding in bringing this to fruition.
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Re:The Ten Planks of the Communist Manefesto Date Posted:06/16/2018 5:36 AMCopy HTML I think if you look at it more honestly and Americans, it's a hell no and not where we are no matter your politics. None of those "ten points" of the Communist Manifesto suit me, the Russian revolution would not suit me, poor persons, starving and joined by the middle and upper class living a communal life, no way. I've read of small communties living a communal life, another hell no, my house, my kitchen, my earnings. I have no problem with being an admitted capitalist.
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oldarmybear
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Re:The Ten Planks of the Communist Manefesto Date Posted:06/16/2018 11:41 AMCopy HTML Reply to katie5445 (06/15/2018 11:36 PM) I think if you look at it more honestly and Americans, it's a hell no and not where we are no matter your politics. None of those "ten points" of the Communist Manifesto suit me, the Russian revolution would not suit me, poor persons, starving and joined by the middle and upper class living a communal life, no way. I've read of small communties living a communal life, another hell no, my house, my kitchen, my earnings. I have no problem with being an admitted capitalist. Then there is still hope for you, Katie. Get off the democrat plantation before you become too old to change. |
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Re:The Ten Planks of the Communist Manefesto Date Posted:06/21/2018 5:03 AMCopy HTML old boogieman never die or it seems fade away. old army bear, you are showing you age. an oldie but goodie. something like hearing tones on the radio from decades ago. the current boogieman is terriorists. communistic boogieman is so 20th century.
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Re:The Ten Planks of the Communist Manefesto Date Posted:06/21/2018 11:21 AMCopy HTML
socialism = communism and socialists have made major gains in some areas of the USA. Socialist promise free stuff and the lazy people suck it up. Free food, free phones, free medical care, the gimme society is growing .Just remember this, the only ones who are wealthy in a socialist country are government officials.
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Re:The Ten Planks of the Communist Manefesto Date Posted:06/21/2018 12:26 PMCopy HTML Reply to oldarmybear (06/21/2018 5:21 AM) socialism = communism and socialists have made major gains in some areas of the USA. Socialist promise free stuff and the lazy people suck it up. Free food, free phones, free medical care, the gimme society is growing .Just remember this, the only ones who are wealthy in a socialist country are government officials. i did join a socialist party. they didn't like to be called communist. mixing those up is like mixing up catholics and protestants. as to getting free stuff, got any links to back that up? the party i join didn't claim that folks should be getting free stuff. socialism is a backlash against capitalism. the problem with capitalism is workers have little power so employers treat them like dirt. oh, and wage compensation lags beyond inflation and productivity. many working for amazon and walmart qualify for food stamps. but the tea party had their food reduced. causing walmart profits to drop which caused their stocks to fall. slaves provide cheap labor but a market they don't make. if folks don't have money, they can't buy anything. why can't those on the right understand that? thinking is a dangerous thing
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Re:The Ten Planks of the Communist Manefesto Date Posted:06/21/2018 12:41 PMCopy HTML Communist Voice -- the successor to the Workers' Advocate -- works for the rebirth of communism by fighting for anti-revisionist Marxism-Leninism. It opposes both market capitalism and the state-capitalist regimes (such as Cuba or China today or Russia and most of Eastern Europe yesterday) which falsely call themselves socialist or communist. It deals with the world crisis of revolutionary theory, analyzes what happened to the revolutionary movements of the past, and opposes Stalinism, Trotskyism, anarchism and reformism.
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Re:The Ten Planks of the Communist Manefesto Date Posted:06/21/2018 12:49 PMCopy HTML
Of course as Margaret Thatcher said: "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of the other feller's $." Socialism does not work because it stifles most human traits to work harder to better yourself financially. Even that old fool Mandela finally realized that. John & Mary Lunchbucket can make a decent living off of corporations but not off of poor people who actually cost them $.
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Re:The Ten Planks of the Communist Manefesto Date Posted:06/21/2018 1:08 PMCopy HTML Once again I will say this, Just remember this, the only ones who are wealthy in a socialist country are government officials. There is no incentive to work hard under socialism. When you work harder than the next guy and he gets the same pay for doing less work, how long are you going to work harder than the next guy? |
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Re:The Ten Planks of the Communist Manefesto Date Posted:06/21/2018 2:02 PMCopy HTML as to the work thing, the better workers can work less hours for the same pay.
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Re:The Ten Planks of the Communist Manefesto Date Posted:06/21/2018 3:51 PMCopy HTML Reply to Knightly (06/21/2018 8:02 AM) as to the work thing, the better workers can work less hours for the same pay. bullshit, knightly. the hours are the same the output is the same there is no incentive to work faster/smarter because you will remain at your work station until the tour/shift is over. If you don't meet your daily quota you will bee in deep doo-doo and you know it. |
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Re:The Ten Planks of the Communist Manefesto Date Posted:06/21/2018 5:25 PMCopy HTML Reply to Knightly (06/21/2018 4:26 AM) Socialism is a very broad term, I often hear comments on socialist Europe, yet many of those countries have a higher free index market than we do, so if you are to use the word socialist you must be more specific, especially considering I am pro free market and anti the govt. owning' and running healthcare, water, electric, gas, communications, travel by land, air, sea and so on. Lazy people, when there are jobs as in after Obama cleaned up Bush's mess and it is continuing with a low unemployment I would say Americans are not lazy looking for a free ride, even in 2009 with unemployment over 12% means the vast majority of Americans were still working and always have wanted to work. I can't consider myself any thing other than a capitalist as I sit here in my Michael Kors pants rummaging through my Coach handbag.....Reply to oldarmybear (06/21/2018 5:21 AM) socialism = communism and socialists have made major gains in some areas of the USA. Socialist promise free stuff and the lazy people suck it up. Free food, free phones, free medical care, the gimme society is growing .Just remember this, the only ones who are wealthy in a socialist country are government officials. i did join a socialist party. they didn't like to be called communist. mixing those up is like mixing up catholics and protestants. as to getting free stuff, got any links to back that up? the party i join didn't claim that folks should be getting free stuff. socialism is a backlash against capitalism. the problem with capitalism is workers have little power so employers treat them like dirt. oh, and wage compensation lags beyond inflation and productivity. many working for amazon and walmart qualify for food stamps. but the tea party had their food reduced. causing walmart profits to drop which caused their stocks to fall. slaves provide cheap labor but a market they don't make. if folks don't have money, they can't buy anything. why can't those on the right understand that? ![]() |
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Re:The Ten Planks of the Communist Manefesto Date Posted:06/21/2018 5:55 PMCopy HTML i guess i didn't make myself clear. what i meant was, wage compensation under socialism could be changed so that the better workers could work less hours but get paid the same pay as slower workers. i have had several different jobs. some of them didn't require punching a time clock. the faster i was, the less time i needed to do the work. another job was picking berries. the farmer said i could work as many hours as i wanted or until it got dark. the more berries i picked, the more money i made. you have heard of piece work? there are many ways to compensate labor. and everything doesn't have to be the same. thinking is a dangerous thing
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Re:The Ten Planks of the Communist Manefesto Date Posted:06/21/2018 7:09 PMCopy HTML there are many ways to compensate labor. and everything doesn't have to be the same. I am partial to the barter system. |
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Re:The Ten Planks of the Communist Manefesto Date Posted:06/21/2018 7:11 PMCopy HTML interesting... could you expand on your take of a barter system?
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Re:The Ten Planks of the Communist Manefesto Date Posted:06/21/2018 11:09 PMCopy HTML Reply to Knightly (06/21/2018 1:11 PM) interesting... could you expand on your take of a barter system?
Bartering is the process of obtaining goods or services by direct exchange without the use of currency. In times of economic instability or currency devaluation, it can be a great way to ensure the flow of necessary items and services into your household without using precious funds. Historically, face-to-face exchanges between familiar parties were most common, but the Internet has opened up a new medium for bartering opportunities for both person-to-person exchanges and third-party facilitated transactions.
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Re:The Ten Planks of the Communist Manefesto Date Posted:06/22/2018 4:37 AMCopy HTML Communal and communism often get confused. The barter system in rural areas is not uncommon. When I lived rural I had what others didn't and vice versa, it worked very well on trade offs. My old MD boss used it early, he gave the Army 6 yrs and they gave him an MD, he built a house couldn't do the plumbing and electrics bartered medical care for those services, car needed repair/servicing bartered medical care.
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Re:The Ten Planks of the Communist Manefesto Date Posted:06/22/2018 1:31 PMCopy HTML
I live rural & barter all the time. Just a way of life........like taking responsibility for your own actions.
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Re:The Ten Planks of the Communist Manefesto Date Posted:06/22/2018 9:09 PMCopy HTML What the Republican party stands for is personal selfishness and lack of empathy.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse."
Blaise Pascal
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Re:The Ten Planks of the Communist Manefesto Date Posted:06/22/2018 10:26 PMCopy HTML Reply to Yobbo (06/22/2018 3:09 PM) What the Republican party stands for is personal selfishness and lack of empathy. Can you show me where you got this inside information or are you just blowing hot, smelly air out of your nether region? |